Why? Why! ..... an indepth explaination of

[Carpoholic]

............My handmade/homemade/self tied/whatever Leadcore "Helicopter Rigs"

Either i am going blind or senile, but it appears that certain elements of the carp fishing world here on FiskeSnack think that i make rigs that "could/would" put a carps welfare at risk.
i.e My Rigs are unsafe!!!

Well those people have had enough time now to ponder on the pics of my HELICOPTER RIGS, so if i prove you wrong, then you only have yourselves to blame.

So let me explain............................

Firstly the main piece of material is the leadcore itself.
This is roughly 1 meter in length and is FOX Leadcore 45lbs
(for those of you who are not familiar with "Leadcore", what it is, is a length of braided material that contains lead wire inside)
On one end of the leadcore i splice a link swivel, this is what i will attach the lead to. (see pics)
This is one of the most important things when making a SAFE helicopter rig.
Ensure that the "Link" is one of those cheap and nasty ones that pull open under pressure.
This is to release the lead in the event that you get SNAPPED OFF.
Basically what happens, if you get snapped by a carp and its your main line that breaks, you dont want the carp/fish swimming around with the whole rig trailing behind it. (including the lead, leadcore and however many meters of main line that is attached aswell).
What will happen here is, if the lead becomes trapped in rocks for instance, the link will give way under the pressure of the fighting carp and the lead will be released/break free. Either that or the hooklength will all come away completely (which is what we want) leaving just the hooklength in the carps mouth.

For the hooklength to come free then it must travel up to the place that the main line broke originally.
This is not a problem as the only thing stopping the swivel and hooklength sliding free is a rubber bead. (i.e towards the rod tip)
This will slide easily over the knot which joins the leadcore to the main line thus releaseing the hooklength.
This can be seen easily in my "so called UNSAFE HELICOPTER RIGS", but if that explaination is still not good enough for you, then well, i tried!!!

My Rigs are safe, its as simple as that!!!!!!! and i thought that those who questioned me would have known better.

Obviously not, but hey, its my birthday today and i have spent an hour of it writing this SHIT!!!!
Any questions, i will answer when i have sobered up.

Take it easy and have a GOD JUL!!!!!!

Chris :rockbanan

:rockbanan :rockbanan :rockbanan ....the darkside... :rockbanan :rockbanan

[Carpoholic]

Helicopter Pics

[GuTe]

first things first; Congrats!

Second: The reason I uploaded my version of a helicopter rig is to show that you can make this rig in alot of different ways. I never sad that your rig is unsafe, i just like my version better.

[Carpoholic]

first things first; Congrats!

Second: The reason I uploaded my version of a helicopter rig is to show that you can make this rig in alot of different ways. I never sad that your rig is unsafe, i just like my version better.


First things first.................... cheers ;)

secondly, who said i was talking about you?????? ;)

[GuTe]

First things first; Get drunk tonite :)

Second: No one, i just wanted to clarify my reason.

[Carpoholic]

First things first; Get drunk tonite :)

Second: No one, i just wanted to clarify my reason.

First things first : I am getting drunk now............ actually i wrote that article SOBER as you can probably tell (imagine me writing that bollocks when i was "Shindlers"

Second: Reason for what???

Thirdly : Where is the "Encyclopedia Brittanica" tonight?? Washing his beard eller??? ;)

[grindpalm]

Ok, I think you're missing my input in this thread :)

Yes, I know the deal with these helicopter-rigs and I know you people, if anyone, really DO think about carp safety.
But still, why have two beads above the hook link section when you dont need to, and secondly, why put them on sideways? You write ONE bead but we can all see you use at least two ( put on sideways for that matter). This will obviously demand a higher "pulling power" to get the hook link to release from the main line (or lead core).Then isn't one bead enough?
Like the english anglers put it, and I'll think you'll agree: "keep it simple, keep it safe"
So all I'm really wondering: why the extra beads? I don't really see the necessity of using 'em, but if you, or anyone else does, well that's up to you!
And I know all carp addicts are into carp safety, so I don't really see the problem, except the use of unnecessary tackle parts :)

PS. I'm getting pissed for christmas - just like the rest of the year!

Cheers, and a merry hang over to you all!

[Carpoholic]

Ok, I think you're missing my input in this thread :)

Yes, I know the deal with these helicopter-rigs and I know you people, if anyone, really DO think about carp safety.
But still, why have two beads above the hook link section when you dont need to, and secondly, why put them on sideways? You write ONE bead but we can all see you use at least two ( put on sideways for that matter). This will obviously demand a higher "pulling power" to get the hook link to release from the main line (or lead core).Then isn't one bead enough?
Like the english anglers put it, and I'll think you'll agree: "keep it simple, keep it safe"
So all I'm really wondering: why the extra beads? I don't really see the necessity of using 'em, but if you, or anyone else does, well that's up to you!
And I know all carp addicts are into carp safety, so I don't really see the problem, except the use of unnecessary tackle parts :)

PS. I'm getting pissed for christmas - just like the rest of the year!

Cheers, and a merry hang over to you all!


Hi matey,

Correctamundo it is a humongous hangover, but unfortunatley its not very merry at all................... and it was deffinatley not T-Röd Related :)

Well on a happy note, read this load of mind boggling crap i have written here trying to explain myself ...................

ok let me explain...........................

I do actually do everything for a reason, though some may critisise.
And by all means do so, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I dont get annoyed if someone critisises me or my ways of fishing if there is a genuine question or complaint. But i do get a tad cheesed offski at those people who steam in feet first and start slagging me off, or shouting their mouths off at my pics or whatever they find to complain about, because they, either, have nothing else to do in their lives, are jealous of me, you, us......., or want to keep FS "Carp Free" so that evey photo has "Teeth" in it.
Plus i certainley dont like to be slagged off by those who know absolutley nothing of what they are talking about.
Of course i am not referring to you grindpalm, but im sure you understand what i mean and know a few people like this.
I won't take this s*** and i will say exactly what i think, even though it can be a smidgin politically incorrect at times.
Again, i am not reffering to you at all mate.


If i thought for one moment that my tackle/rigs/methods would jepodise a carp's safety, or any fish for that matter, i would change it immidiatley.
Then i would slap myself silly for not noticing it earlier :)
If someone else noticed that something of mine could jepodise the fish, i would thank them for informing me, and not try and come up with a feeble excuse to cover a blatant mistake and try to hide any embarresment.
As i know some people would. But they are "the people" who are never wrong and you cannot explain to them the mistake as they are adamant it was done intensionally and not a mistake................. after all these kind of people never make mistakes in their own eyes.
I'm sure we have all met some people like this along the line somewhere.
Anyway...................................

The 2 beads above the hooklink do serve a purpose and i will explain why they are there, and why they are the way they are, i.e "On Sideways". (i'm suprized you noticed that mate) :)

OK then, firstly it is a "Silt Rig" so when the 4oz torpedo lead hits the silty bottom its going to sink right into it. If it does it may take the whole rig/hooklength/bait with it, and obviously we dont want the bait buried in the silt do we.
So what the bead does that is put on side ways, is it grips the leadcore so i can adjust the depth that the lead and leadcore can sink into the silt before it pulls the hooklength in. If the lead sinks 20cm into the silt, i will adjust the top rubber bead to 20cm up the leadcore the same depth of the silt. This way the hooklength lies on the silt and doesn't pulled under as the lead sinks in.
If a break off does occur, it will not be much of a problem for a carp to pull the hooklength and the "top Gripper Bead" (the sideways bead) over the knot/splice where it is joined to the mainline, this ejecting the lead, leadcore & length of mainline (providing it is is the mainline that has snapped) thus leaving just the hooklength in the carp mouth, which will get shed by the carp eventually.
The second bead will slide up & down the leadcore acting as a buffer bead.
The 2 beads either side of the swivel (hooklength swivel) are hard plastic which assist in the hooklength spinning round (the helicopter motion) on the cast. If they were rubber they may trap the swivel or at maybe prevent it from spinning and result in "spaghetti Junction" at the important end.
The link that holds the lead is also a weak point and will easily break should it become snagged. Note that the link is weak and not the swivel or the knot to the swivel. If this breaks then you lose the fish as the whole hooklength will come away.
I agree with the "keep it simple" chestnut, it was forced down my throat for 7 years when i was dressed like a tree and doing Tony Blairs dirty work ;)


Hey Ho..................... if that still doesn't clarify things, i will explain over a few beers at Härlanda sometime. :beer: :drunk: :cheers: :drunk:

Take it easy mate..................... and hows the little carpet commando??

Regards

Chris

[GuTe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have 2 sideways beads on the top?

[Lazinko]

Varför har ni så lång tafs?

[Carpoholic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have 2 sideways beads on the top?

Which pic are you refering to mate?

[Carpoholic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have 2 sideways beads on the top?

The sideways bead is only the top one to adjust the depth of the "silt rig" so it grips the leadcore.
But i thought i shown you that and explained at Balla when we made them. :rolleyes:

[Carpoholic]

Varför har ni så lång tafs?

Do you mean the leadcore length?

[grindpalm]

Ok, good answer. I see it all a bit clearer now.

So there really were a reason for that set up, who could have guessed?? :D :D :goodwork:

I think Lazinko question is: why such a long hook link?

[Carpoholic]

Ok, good answer. I see it all a bit clearer now.

So there really were a reason for that set up, who could have guessed?? :D :D :goodwork:

I think Lazinko question is: why such a long hook link?

yep there was a genuine reason for that set up and i made it just to show GuTe how to do it. It wasn't a "Let's see what we can build after 2 bottles of Gaymers Old English Cider and half a crate of cheap beer".
I caught my 11.4kg Härlanda Common on that rig, funnily enough :) :goodwork:

[Carpoholic]

Varför har ni så lång tafs?

Thats the way we made it on the day.
I like to make my hooklengths longer when useing them with the "Helicopter Rig" as they are less prone to tangleing. Plus it keeps the hookbait just that little bit further away from the lead for those easily spooked carp (if there is such a thing in Sweden)
I shorten them when useing the Semi-Fixed bolt rig method as they do have a habit of getting fouled up, especially if it is a limp braid hooklength & you are banging them out at long distance. :)

[Jenk]

Really, what the hell is wrong with you? If you looking for unsafe rigs or complaining about unsafe rigs among carpfisherman. Get a fucking life or don't fish at all!!!!!!!!

[Carpoholic]

Really, what the hell is wrong with you? If you looking for unsafe rigs or complaining about unsafe rigs among carpfisherman. Get a fucking life or don't fish at all!!!!!!!!

Firstly we are not complaining about anything, we are having a discussion.
And even if we were complaining, what has it got to do with you? You obviously don't have anything interesting to say, but hey thats just you.
Secondly, if you had read what i had written, you would realise that its complete dickheads like you with your pathetic comments that i am actually talking about when i said :

"" I dont get annoyed if someone critisises me or my ways of fishing if there is a genuine question or complaint. But i do get a tad cheesed offski at those people who steam in feet first and start slagging me off, or shouting their mouths off at my pics or whatever they find to complain about, because they, either, have nothing else to do in their lives, are jealous of me, you, us......., or want to keep FS "Carp Free" so that evey photo has "Teeth" in it.""

And i think you are in the "nothing else to do in their lives" catagory!

Thank you for your comment, that has given me a perfect example of what i am talking about when i mean "people who steam in feet first"
..............And Houston, Texas says it all ;)

[Jenk]

Maybe I was unclear. You seem to be making really nice rigs. I mean the people who complains at your riggs should get a life. It is obvious that you love your carps and I don't think you would hurt them if it can be avoided. Sometimes people just to look at complain at anything, they need to get a life.

[GuTe]

Jenk: Why can't we have a discussion aobut the rigs without people like you telling us to get a life?
If this was a discussion about Jerkbaits i bet you would be first in line "complaining"

[Carpoholic]

Maybe I was unclear. You seem to be making really nice rigs. I mean the people who complains at your riggs should get a life. It is obvious that you love your carps and I don't think you would hurt them if it can be avoided. Sometimes people just to look at complain at anything, they need to get a life.

Yes, you were unclear. It appeared to me that you were aiming your comments at me personally. Thats the way it sounded. So now i know, we can be :) again.
Anyway............ i would not say that the other comments were complaints, its constructive critisism and genuine questions about why i made those rigs the way i did. This i have explained in earlier posts.
Also GuTe & grindpalm are good fishing friends of mine, so i know that thier comments are not complaints, but genuine questions to why i built those rigs that way.
They only complain on the Telephone or when the System Bolaget is close :)

[Carpoholic]

Jenk: Why can't we have a discussion aobut the rigs without people like you telling us to get a life?
If this was a discussion about Jerkbaits i bet you would be first in line "complaining"

:goodwork: Mate, could you imagine the uproar if one of us "Metare" guys started complaining and insulting others on a "Make your own Jerkbaits" topic???
"Mobbning" is a word that springs to mind ;)

[grindpalm]

:goodwork: Mate, could you imagine the uproar if one of us "Metare" guys started complaining and insulting others on a "Make your own Jerkbaits" topic???
"Mobbning" is a word that springs to mind ;)

What can you do with jerkbaits except complain about them??? :)
Carpfishing is a passion, jerkbaits are a waste of time... :banana: :banana:

[Shanghai Lilly]

What can you do with jerkbaits except complain about them??? :)
Carpfishing is a passion, jerkbaits are a waste of time... :banana: :banana:

"Jerkbaits a waste of time" :D :D :D I would say sitting behind bite alarms for hours an hours was a far greater waste of time!! :wink: :wink:

From a carp stalking, jerkbait fanatics!!! point of view!! :D :D

[Jenk]

Sorry then, I realize you carpfisherman lives on a different planet. Good constructive criticism is of coure always good:)

[minken]

gädda är väl en sån fisk man fiskar som litet barn! mete är för riktiga fiskare! ;)

[Shanghai Lilly]

Sorry then, I realize you carpfisherman lives on a different planet. Good constructive criticism is of coure always good:)


:blush: :blush: :blush: :D :D