Boilies - Pop Ups, Is there a correct height?

[Carpoholic]

Firstly take a look at this picture that i have uploaded,

here is the link to the pic : http://www.fiskesnack.com/fotogalleri/showimage.php?iid=4512


then read the entries below. (if you can be bothered that is :) )
Then please, by all means give us your opinions??? ;)

Lazinko says : "du borde fiska den längre ner" :b

Carpoholic (me) says : "WHY?? Do you know something i don't? Please explain why i should fish it lower down. Remebering that it is a testing tank or an aquarium in laymans terms. Please enlighten me on what you actually mean? ;)"

Lazinko says : "jag tror fisken väcker misstanke om man fiskar betet 5 cm från botten, eller mer medans alla mäskboilies ligger på botten... vet inte riktigt hur högt du kör just denna, men om du ser på Kordas karpfilm där de filmar betena i vattnet så krokas jävligt få fiskar på popups som är över 2 cm från botten, för fisken missar betet. de är ju byggda för att ta betet på botten... alltså krokas fisken sämre med en högt fiskad popup än en som fiskas lågt eller på botten pga. att deras mun somsagt inte är byggd för att plocka grejjer som svävar i vattnet, utan att böka i slam och på vanliga bottnar. eller du kanske fiskar på dybottnar där man måste ha popups för att få upp betet i rätt höjd. men isåfall måste ju även mäsket sjunka ner..... Det är ju faktiskt bevis i den filmen att popups/boilies som fiskas närmare botten gör att det blir MYCKET lättare att kroka fisken. "

Carpoholic says: "Let me go and get my dictionary ;) "

Lazinko says : hmm, what is it you don't understand?

Carpoholic says : Swedish !


Now that i have had the Svenska translated for me, i can "Beg to differ"! (Jag har en annan åsikt)

Firstly, you came to the conclusion, that the "Fish" may find it suspicious if the bait is presented at such a height, from a Korda Video?
Fair enough, after all, that maybe the case considering the lake bed and sediment make up and consistency, water depth, water clarity, Fishing pressure and a hundred more reasons why they chose that "bait presentation" for that particular day on that particular water.
But you CANNOT adapt your carp fishing to every situation because of what you saw in one video :skaka: Carp fishing is about taking into consideration the situation on the day and then deciding which way YOU think is best to fish that day.
There are a lot of things to take into account, for instance, Weather, temperature, swim choice, time of year, fishing pressure, size of the lake/river, carp stocks and many many many more, those are just to name a few of the main ones. It would be very niave and ignorant to fish every lake, river, reservior, pond, pit, or puddle by what you have seen on ONE video. That is a guideline for you and is flexible, not a Rule!

You are right in saying that all the "Mäskboilies" (freebies as we call them in Britain) will lie on the bottom (pop up freebies wont;) tee hee) and the pop up hookbait will be different in appearance.
To us it is, but do "Fish" recognise this difference, and if they do, do they associate it with danger??
Yes, some "Fish" do see the difference, Carp in particular (or so the proffs say) and they do associate it with danger............. IF THEY HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE.
This is for the simple reason that they have been caught so many times. Thats why there are always new "All singing, All dancing" rigs being invented.
To constantly Fool the Fish as they recognise certain rigs and bait presentations!
It is known that some heavily pressured carp blow on suspicious baits and see how it moves. If it dosent move the right way, the carp will reject it. They are learning not to make the same mistake "5" times and get hauled up the bank again!
This is mainly on hard pressured waters as in Britain for example.
Here in Sweden, the pressure on carp and carp waters is vastly different. From my point of view, the carp here dont recieve any pressure in comparrison to Britain, and for the same carp to be caught twice in the same year is probably the limit here.

What i am tring to say is, there are NO set rules for the height of the hookbait, and the picture of that rig is just one of hundreds that i have in my tackle box.
All are in sets of 3 or 4 and are different in some way. This is so that i can decide what i think i should use given any carp fishing situation.
It one of the things that you learn over the years, as it is with anything you do.
Whether it be a hobby, sport or job. The more you learn, the better you become ;)

The picture happens to be of a "Standard Hair rig with a hinge" (to assist in hooking and the bait presentation), with a Kryston Snakebite Gold Abrasion resistant hooklength.
It is for use on very soft silt or if there is thick bottom weed hence the height of the pop up.

eller du kanske fiskar på dybottnar där man måste ha popups för att få upp betet i rätt höjd. men isåfall måste ju även mäsket sjunka ner..... Det är ju faktiskt bevis i den filmen att popups/boilies som fiskas närmare botten gör att det blir MYCKET lättare att kroka fisken.

OK lets now take a look at what you have said regarding the way a carp is built and the way it feeds.
I agree with you in saying that a carp is a "Bottom Feeder", it is predominatly a bottom feeder. But what you are saying is utter crap!
If what you are saying is true, then why have i (and thousands of other carp fishermen) caught carp from the surface, under the surface, in mid water and in every other depth of the water that there is??? i.e Surface fishing with bread, dog biscuits etc....... and float fishing with sweetcorn and luncheon meat etc..........???
Well, it's simple really, Carp will feed in any depth/area of water if there is a food source available there. That is a known fact.
So i have come to the conclusion that there are certain aspects of fishing that you really know nothing about.
I would not have written all this if i never knew what i was talking about, believe me! I have been carp fishing for quite sometime now and it is probably the one thing that i do actually know something about.
So take your blinkers off mate and look at the bigger picture, and the carp fishing picture is a BIG one, i can tell you.
I know next to nothing really about carp fishing from what there is to know out there and even if i didnt, i would certainly start further afield from what one video showed me! That is just plain Common Sense! It's just "Common Sense" is not that common these days is it?

So the moral of this is "There is more than one way to skin a cat"
And all of my rigs are not the same that the one pictured in the tank. 200 rigs that are the same would be a wasted of time!
No two fishing situations are the same, but going prepared for most of them gives you an advantage over others and the carp/fish itself. That's what makes a good fisherman.
What he has in his head NOT what the name and price of his tackle is

Buy yourself the Fox guide to Carp fishing and start on the bottom rung of the ladder.

DON'T RUN BEFORE YOU CAN WALK! ;)

MVH

/Carpoholic

Now its your turn to have your say :)

(and i never said "Fuck" once) :)

[carpfenmazter]

But hey man! I'm pretty sure u will catch more fish with an 1 inch pop-up, than a 3 inch.? right? So there must be something to it? If the fish is heavily feeding on the bottom, they might miss the popped-up hookbait completley. And if the hookbait is off the bottom so high, then the fish thinks it's on the bottom and will miss is it because of that (like "no-distance-estimate" or what you would like to call it)

That is logical conclusions, and not ideas from watching a Korda tape :)

(btw, I'm still pretty pisst, again.......)

[esobus]

You will have to fish it out guys.
Meet behind the mill two rods each and start baiting.

Nice to see you here CH!

[Carpoholic]

But hey man! I'm pretty sure u will catch more fish with an 1 inch pop-up, than a 3 inch.? right? So there must be something to it? If the fish is heavily feeding on the bottom, they might miss the popped-up hookbait completley. And if the hookbait is off the bottom so high, then the fish thinks it's on the bottom and will miss is it because of that (like "no-distance-estimate" or what you would like to call it)

That is logical conclusions, and not ideas from watching a Korda tape :)

(btw, I'm still pretty pisst, again.......)

You are pretty sure u will catch more fish with an 1 inch pop-up, than a 3 inch.?
What would be the difference between a 1 inch (2cm) and a bottom bait apart from the obvious??
I have 1 inch pop up rigs and i have 5 inch pop up rigs (& 2, 3, 4, 6 etc), as i have said it depends on the situation.
What if all the bottom baits are hidden by silt or weed or whatever and the only bait seen by the carp is the 3 inch pop up. Yep it depends on the situation. And you should know that its the fishermans experience that depicts how to present his bait.

"Still pretty pissed again"??? How can you STILL be pretty pissed AGAIN?? :wink: You must be pissed mate :) :banana:

[SharperCarper]

That's a whole load of wisedom Chris, many thanks! :headbang:

[carpfenmazter]

I HAVE TRIED IT!!! And the lower pop-up produced a lot more bites than the high.....

[carpfenmazter]

You are pretty sure u will catch more fish with an 1 inch pop-up, than a 3 inch.?
What would be the difference between a 1 inch (2cm) and a bottom bait apart from the obvious??
I have 1 inch pop up rigs and i have 5 inch pop up rigs (& 2, 3, 4, 6 etc), as i have said it depends on the situation.
What if all the bottom baits are hidden by silt or weed or whatever and the only bait seen by the carp is the 3 inch pop up. Yep it depends on the situation. And you should know that its the fishermans experience that depicts how to present his bait.

"Still pretty pissed again"??? How can you STILL be pretty pissed AGAIN?? :wink: You must be pissed mate :) :banana:

I'm always pissed mate. Livet är en fest! - Life is a party! If all the freebies is hidden in silt or weed, what is the point in baiting, eh? :) Sure it depends on the situation.. If U are fishing a 5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake, then the 3 inch pop-up will probably catch more than a bottombait. But hey, who does?

[Carpoholic]

You will have to fish it out guys.
Meet behind the mill two rods each and start baiting.

Nice to see you here CH!

Alright mate,

How is your Läget????

Gotta dash, i must thash Carpfenmazter with a stainless bankstick! :) hee hee.

He's had a few beers and swallowed a dictionary and that = skitsnack time :)
Isn't that right Kangas, you carping genius!! :) hahahahaha :peta: :peta: :drunk: :nut:

[carpfenmazter]

yaaaa yaaaaa... some beer and a few withe russians=MUMMS. But I kept out of the dictionary this night. The only thing I read tonight is the carping magazines ;)

[Lazinko]

I will try write in english, just for you ;)

I don't really know where to start, it is so much to comment/answear.
But i do know that the fishingpressure is alot bigger in the UK than swedish waters,
But at the same time i wrote why i personally think you should fish the pop-up lower, not about the fishingpressure.
In all the carpfishingmovies i've seen Korda is the only one having underwater-camera scenes. And what i saw in that movie really convinced me that the fish having harder to pickup highly fished popups than bottombaits,
In the movie i think the carp missed about 5 popups and none bottombait or nearly pop-uped baits. And i personally dont think the carps having easier to pick up pop-up baits in sweden, than in the UK.

And why not learn of the movies? the guy is truely experienced!

"I agree with you in saying that a carp is a "Bottom Feeder", it is predominatly a bottom feeder. But what you are saying is utter crap!
If what you are saying is true, then why have i (and thousands of other carp fishermen) caught carp from the surface, under the surface, in mid water and in every other depth of the water that there is??? i.e Surface fishing with bread, dog biscuits etc....... and float fishing with sweetcorn and luncheon meat etc..........???
Well, it's simple really, Carp will feed in any depth/area of water if there is a food source available there. That is a known fact."
- I know the carp feeds where the food is, not only at the bottom. but now we where talking about bottomfishing with boilies and popups, not about dog-food (?)stalking(?) and i was just telling you what i thought about your rig.


"But you CANNOT adapt your carp fishing to every situation because of what you saw in one video Carp fishing is about taking into consideration the situation on the day and then deciding which way YOU think is best to fish that day.
There are a lot of things to take into account, for instance, Weather, temperature, swim choice, time of year, fishing pressure, size of the lake/river, carp stocks and many many many more, those are just to name a few of the main ones. It would be very niave and ignorant to fish every lake, river, reservior, pond, pit, or puddle by what you have seen on ONE video. That is a guideline for you and is flexible, not a Rule!"
- I have been thinking alot about what the guy in the kordamovie said, and ofcourse you shall adapt your fishing to the situation. But i don't think the carp having it easier to pickup the bait in different conditions, i think it is pretty general!


A long answear... imo :)

[Carpoholic]

I'm always pissed mate. Livet är en fest! - Life is a party! If all the freebies is hidden in silt or weed, what is the pint in baiting, eh? :) Sure it depends on the situation.. If U are fishing a 5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake, then the 3 inch pop-up will probably catch more than a bottombait. But hey, who does?

The point in baiting up is the fact that the carp can and will SMELL the baits before it can see them! And when the big fat F******** carp sniffs it out the first one it sees is the 3 Inch pop up

5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake?????
Then i would use a helicopter silt rig, so the lead sinks in the shiiiiite and not the bait.

But hey thats me :)

Hit me with some more bitch :)

[carpfenmazter]

The point in baiting up is the fact that the carp can and will SMELL the baits before it can see them! And when the big fat F******** carp sniffs it out the first one it sees is the 3 Inch pop up

5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake?????
Then i would use a helicopter silt rig, so the lead sinks in the shiiiiite and not the bait.

But hey thats me :)

Hit me with some more bitch :)

Exactly mate, and if the hookbait will rest on top of the silt, then so will the freebies. So the situation will always be one where the hookbait AND the freebies will show.

[Lazinko]

Lite illa att du(carpoholic) försöker sätta dit andra (mig) o få dem idiotförklarade, bara för du tror du vet bättre. Och på så sätt vill visa det för andra. Jag vet att jag inte fiskar mina beten högt (till karp) och ville bara säga vad jag tyckte om just din rig, även om du har flera hundra andra. Jag tycker personligen det är bättre att ha några (2-3) metoder som man vet funkar än o köra på 200 olika

[Carpoholic]

I will try write in english, just for you ;)

I don't really know where to start, it is so much to comment/answear.
But i do know that the fishingpressure is alot bigger in the UK than swedish waters,
But at the same time i wrote why i personally think you should fish the pop-up lower, not about the fishingpressure.
In all the carpfishingmovies i've seen Korda is the only one having underwater-camera scenes. And what i saw in that movie really convinced me that the fish having harder to pickup highly fished popups than bottombaits,
In the movie i think the carp missed about 5 popups and none bottombait or nearly pop-uped baits. And i personally dont think the carps having easier to pick up pop-up baits in sweden, than in the UK.

And why not learn of the movies? the guy is truely experienced!

"I agree with you in saying that a carp is a "Bottom Feeder", it is predominatly a bottom feeder. But what you are saying is utter crap!
If what you are saying is true, then why have i (and thousands of other carp fishermen) caught carp from the surface, under the surface, in mid water and in every other depth of the water that there is??? i.e Surface fishing with bread, dog biscuits etc....... and float fishing with sweetcorn and luncheon meat etc..........???
Well, it's simple really, Carp will feed in any depth/area of water if there is a food source available there. That is a known fact."
- I know the carp feeds where the food is, not only at the bottom. but now we where talking about bottomfishing with boilies and popups, not about dog-food (?)stalking(?) and i was just telling you what i thought about your rig.


"But you CANNOT adapt your carp fishing to every situation because of what you saw in one video Carp fishing is about taking into consideration the situation on the day and then deciding which way YOU think is best to fish that day.
There are a lot of things to take into account, for instance, Weather, temperature, swim choice, time of year, fishing pressure, size of the lake/river, carp stocks and many many many more, those are just to name a few of the main ones. It would be very niave and ignorant to fish every lake, river, reservior, pond, pit, or puddle by what you have seen on ONE video. That is a guideline for you and is flexible, not a Rule!"
- I have been thinking alot about what the guy in the kordamovie said, and ofcourse you shall adapt your fishing to the situation. But i don't think the carp having it easier to pickup the bait in different conditions, i think it is pretty general!


A long answear... imo :)


But i do know that the fishingpressure is alot bigger in the UK than swedish waters, YES IT IS

But at the same time i wrote why i personally think you should fish the pop-up lower, not about the fishingpressure. AS I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION AND DOWN TO THE ANGLERS OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCE. YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT THE PHOTO IS A "TESTING TANK" AND I MAYBE WOULDN'T USE THAT RIG ON GRAVEL AS IN THE PIC, BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE I WOULD.
I KNOW YOU WERN'T TALKING ABOUT THE FISHING PRESSURE, I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I MEANT.
In all the carpfishingmovies i've seen Korda is the only one having underwater-camera scenes. I HAVE SEEN A FEW OTHERS, KEVIN MADDOCKS DID ONE IF I REMEMBER RIGHTLY AND THEY ARE VERY EDUCATIONAL TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY GOES ON UNDER THE SURFACE. And what i saw in that movie really convinced me that the fish having harder to pickup highly fished popups than bottombaits, AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, I MEAN, I WOULD NOT POP UP A BAIT 6FT OFF THE BOTTOM UNLESS THE SITUATION MEANT I HAD TO, AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED. I HAVE POPPED UP BAITS THE LENGTH OF THE HOOKLINK BEFORE NOW. WHY? BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY IN THE GIVEN SITUATION!! IT WAS IN BORÅS ACTUALLY AND I HAD VERY GOOD REASONS FOR DOING IT.
In the movie i think the carp missed about 5 popups and none bottombait or nearly pop-uped baits. And i personally dont think the carps having easier to pick up pop-up baits in sweden, than in the UK. OR MAYBE THE CARP HAD SEEN THE POP UPS BUT THE POP UPS SPOOKED THE CARP AS IT ASSOSIATED POP UPS WITH DANGER. WHO KNOWS?
And why not learn of the movies? the guy is truely experienced!
WHO WAS HE?


I know the carp feeds where the food is, not only at the bottom. but now we where talking about bottomfishing with boilies and popups, not about dog-food (?)stalking(?) and i was just telling you what i thought about your rig.
NO, YOU SAID THAT CARP ONLY FEED ON THE BOTTOM AS WILL NOT TAKE FOOD/BAIT APART FROM THE BOTTOM, SO REALLY YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. I DONT MEAN THAT IN A NASTY WAY, IT SEEMS YOU ARE CHANGING YOUR STORY NOW. (OR IS MY TRANSLATOR WRONG)


I have been thinking alot about what the guy in the kordamovie said, and ofcourse you shall adapt your fishing to the situation. But i don't think the carp having it easier to pickup the bait in different conditions, i think it is pretty general!
FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN BRITAIN, I USED TO FISH WITH BREAD ON THE SURFACE AT DAWN AND DUSK, THEY WERE EXCELLENT TIMES TO TAKE CARP OFF THE SURFACE. YOU COULDNT PICK THEM UP OFF THE BOTTOM WITH A BOILIE AT THOSE TIMES. IT ONLY LASTED FOR MAYBE 2 HOURS MAXIMUM BUT THE CARP FED ON THE SURFACE AT THOSE TIMES AND THEY WERE THERE FOR THE TAKING. MAYBE ITS JUST THOSE BRITISH CARP, WHO KNOWS?. BUT CARP WILL PICK UP BAITS IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR AND DAY. AS FOR THEM HAVING IT EASIER, IT PROBABLY DOES NOT BOTHER THEM HOW THEY GET THIER FOOD OR WHERE FROM PROVIDING ITS IN THE WATER AND ACCESSIBLE. THEY WILL HAVE BEEN DOING IT ALL THIER LIVES.
ACTUALLY I SAW A CARP SNEAK OUT OF BALLASJÖN ONE NIGHT AT TRY TO STEAL MY OST MACKOR FROM UNDER MY BEDCHAIR, YEAH THE SWEDISH CARP ARE "MYCKET SMARTARE" YOU KNOW :)

[Lazinko]

at the same time i did NOT EVEN MENTION any surfacefishing, just bottomfishing. i've even caught carp on flyfishing with "öronproppar" so i do know carp eat at the surface.

The korda movies is presented by Danny Fairbrass.


And i don't think it depends on the situation when the carp picks up a popup on a swim. When they are hoovering the bottom they often miss a highly fished pop-up!
and i'm sure it's a bigger catchingrate on low-presentated popup (1inch, 2.5cm) than a popup fished 2-3inches from the bottom, 5-7.5 cm.

[Carpoholic]

Lite illa att du(carpoholic) försöker sätta dit andra (mig) o få dem idiotförklarade, bara för du tror du vet bättre. Och på så sätt vill visa det för andra. Jag vet att jag inte fiskar mina beten högt (till karp) och ville bara säga vad jag tyckte om just din rig, även om du har flera hundra andra. Jag tycker personligen det är bättre att ha några (2-3) metoder som man vet funkar än o köra på 200 olika

1. I am not trying to make you look an idiot infront of others whatsoever. i am just giving my opinion in answer to your questions. This maybe one ****** up world we live in, but we are still allowed to voice our opinions whether you think they are right or wrong.

2. You are getting angry for no reason at all, if you disagree with me then say so instead of making out as if i am picking on you, which i am not!

3. I dont think i am better than you, that is very sad to think that just because i disagree in what you have to say. Its constructive not destructive.
And it certainly doesn't matter how many rigs i have, that is beside the point. You have your personal preferences, as you say, and i have mine.
I have a personal preference of about 5 different wobblers when pike fishing maybe you have 200? If you get my point.

4. I thought you may have learnt something from this thread, but it seems it has only irratated you and that i wanted to make you look a fool. So lets see what others have to say.
If you want to argue, do it with someone else, i refuse to entertain you.

So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST...................... :nej: ;)

[Carpoholic]

at the same time i did NOT EVEN MENTION any surfacefishing, just bottomfishing. i've even caught carp on flyfishing with "öronproppar" so i do know carp eat at the surface.

The korda movies is presented by Danny Fairbrass.


And i don't think it depends on the situation when the carp picks up a popup on a swim. When they are hoovering the bottom they often miss a highly fished pop-up!
and i'm sure it's a bigger catchingrate on low-presentated popup (1inch, 2.5cm) than a popup fished 2-3inches from the bottom, 5-7.5 cm.

Lazinko, have you read anything that i have said??

Lets leave it there shall we :)

[Lazinko]

okej.
"Firstly take a look at this picture that i have uploaded,

here is the link to the pic : http://fiskesnack.dyndns.org/fiskes...ge.php?iid=4512


then read the entries below. (if you can be bothered that is )
Then please, by all means give us your opinions???"

imo i think that is to say: Look at this! who do you think is the best?
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"So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST...................... "
It is better jump with the feet first than jump in with the head first :)

BTW, everybody thinking "wrong" shall get a big censure-stamp :) just like the good ole russia.... ironic ;) :)

[Carpoholic]

That's a whole load of wisedom Chris, many thanks! :headbang:


Thanks mate, im glad to see it was maybe worth my while writing all that after all.

:appl: ;)

[Carpoholic]

okej.
"Firstly take a look at this picture that i have uploaded,

here is the link to the pic : http://fiskesnack.dyndns.org/fiskes...ge.php?iid=4512


then read the entries below. (if you can be bothered that is )
Then please, by all means give us your opinions???"

imo i think that is to say: Look at this! who do you think is the best?
--------
"So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST...................... "
It is better jump with the feet first than jump in with the head first :)

BTW, everybody thinking "wrong" shall get a big censure-stamp :) just like the good ole russia.... ironic ;) :)

Yes thats right, its what we call a errrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm a discussion.
I have been very polite to you in this DISCUSSION, dont rock the boat.
I was actually trying to teach you a few things if you hadn't realised.
Waste of time really, eh??
If i want a fight i will go to the pub and start one.
Stop being so immature, please. You know you are the best i will admit that, i'm just a PBI ;)

Goodnight, gotta get up for Vimmerby in 2 hours.

[Lazinko]

The signs when sending a message in the public forum instead of the foto-album or a PM is that you want others to see that you are the king and i'm not ;)
I have also been very polite in this thread, and i also said my opinion in why i shouldn't use a pop-up 2inch++. Then it is pretty irrelevant for you to talk about surfacefishing, when i was talking about bottomfishing with pop-ups in my first message.
Did i said that the carp only eat from the bottom? i said the carp eat from bottom and not pieces "svävande" in the water.
Then i ment on a bottomfishing-swim, when the fish is hoovering the bottom and not the surface.

[Carpoholic]

Lets keep it polite then..................... ok gotta go to Vimmerby

Later doods!! :appl: :goodwork: :D ;)

[GuTe]

Ok, i'll jump in to the discussion. I've just finished watching all 3 Korda movies and the reson that the carp & tench are getting spooked buy the rig is because the bottom is extremly clean after all that feeding. Fairbrass comments that and says that it's extreme situations.
If the bottom is hard & clean, use a bottom bait and if there's silt use a pop-up. To find out which one to go for, use a carp scarer, or marker float as they call it :)

PS. I haven't read they entire discussion so excuse me if I repeat what somebody already has written. Plus I have only had 1 cup of coffe which is not enough for me. DS.

[carpfenmazter]

The korda movies is presented by Danny Fairbrass.




What???? I thought it was Fanny Bareass ;)

[Lazinko]

Funnyguy!! :)

[Majakovskij]

dude your jokes really sucks :appl:

[limnos]

To each his own, I say! If there was such a thing as the perfect rig and/or the perfect bait I would not be carp fishing (could as well fish for Silver Pirates with power bait then, could I not?!). The main lessons from the korda movie (according to me, myself, and I) are that carp CAN be very finicky (in certain circumstances) and CAN possibly detect rigs (given time and experience) and that IF they get totally pre-occupied on tiny morsels (like hemp or whatnot) a popup might not be such a great idea, and, furthermore, that if you have tench about you probably should put more bait in than you think...!